Message from Dan, Comments welcome.

Hey all,


After a few rides, I felt that it would be beneficial if I explained it. Here's a little bit about choosing pace groups and knowing your ability/threshold and riding within it. If you are in a group and are riding at a speed that you are consistently trying hard to keep up to(without being able to take a turn at the front); try being a leader of the pace group that is slightly slower.


This has a 2 fold benefit:


1. It allows riders that are not as strong as you are to "feel" a faster pace without doing all the work. This is great because it trains ones mental state to know that you can ride out of "your comfort zone". The
benefit to you is that you get the mileage in at a zone level that
allows you to build your fitness on, rather than red-lining the entire
ride and feeling spent. Plus this is a great way to help some of the
newer riders feel part of the BCC.


2. It makes you accountable and ride more consistently. This is great because more often than not, we think we are better riders than we are. Holding a steady pace and being aware of others that rely on you
are key components to successful "group" riding. Not to be confused
with "riding with the group" which often translates to having stronger
riders pull you along.


Thoughts and Comments Welcome.

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Comment by John Reynolds on May 13, 2010 at 7:50pm
The groupings to me seem to be more about distance than pace. We all start out together and then seem to spread out. Iam never sure what the "pace groups" are. People do declare how far they want to go though but not how fast. Slower riders (I guess I am one) can and want to go long but I get the impression the long group always seems to be the fast group. Does this make sense? Perhaps we need more time at the start or at the point we split up to determine pace and distance options.
Comment by John Reynolds on May 13, 2010 at 7:56pm
To try and clarify my comments. There are two variables we need to consider with respect to groupings; pace and distance.
Comment by DY on May 13, 2010 at 8:14pm
You're right John, I want to make the rides fun for all and find that there seems to be a gap.

More often than not, riders that are out of their comfort zone end up riding by themselves when they "get dropped". My point was to get people to think about this before it happens. As the club grows, so will the initial group size naturally, however, I want to prompt members to be able to break themselves into smaller groups and enjoy their ride as opposed to "trying to keep up" the entire ride. Does this make sense?

Thanks for your comments.

Dan.
Comment by DY on May 13, 2010 at 8:19pm
Hey Mike, speed ranges are good guideline, but the size of the group automatically creates an "accordion effect" which, depending on your skill set and sprinting capabilities, can sometime put riders "behind" the pack.

My focus is to get more smaller groups of members that are of a similar riding comfort level together and as a small group, the art of "group riding" can be learned and average speeds and strength can be built on the group's cohesion. So even if we start with 50+ riders, maybe we have 5 groups of 10 riders or something to that effect.
Comment by qb on May 13, 2010 at 10:15pm
"Kumbayah" (Gullah, "Come By My GOD(Yah)") — "Kum ba yah" — is an African-American Hebrew (YAH) spiritual song from the 1930s. It enjoyed newfound popularity during the folk revival of the 1960s and became a standard campfire song in Scouting and other nature-oriented organizations.
The song was originally associated with human and spiritual unity, closeness and compassion, and it still is, but more recently it is also cited or alluded to in satirical, sarcastic or even cynical ways that suggest blind or false moralizing, hypocrisy, or naively optimistic views of the world and human nature.[1]

Thinking that I know Trish, she was alluding to the former definition and not the latter!!

I think we already had a lengthy discussion on pace groups and it was suggested that we have several different speeds with different distances. The reason the longest ride is typically also the fastest ride, is the desire to have the groups meet at a common coffee house. Of course, if a group of riders wants to ride 120k at an average speed of 25k/hr, then they certainly will be able to, it is just not likely that they will see the remainder of the group during that particular ride.

By the way, also knowing trish, she wouldn't be in no ditch!! She might lose a wheel, but she would still be grinding it out all the way home.
Comment by Kerri on May 14, 2010 at 9:34am
I think that just by everyone being more aware of this potential issue, it will help out. Plus as the season progresses, people will start to recognize people that they seem best suited to ride with - and perhaps the groups will break up, or form, naturally based on that. At the end of the day, the biggest thing is really everyone's ability to judge their own abilities, and that can change from ride to ride and moment to moment, as Alex said. Bottom line is that everyone needs to ride smart and to watch out for fellow riders. If you see someone struggling, help them out by either peeling back with them or offering up a wheel (even if it means dropping speed a few kms). Being open to making sure that others are enjoying their time out will only ensure that the club remains a fun and inclusive one, that has people wanting to come back for more. Plus, you can't underestimate the power of good bike karma. Never know when it will be you who needs that slower wheel to jump on.
Comment by Steve Wolowich on May 14, 2010 at 1:35pm
Used to be maybe a total of 10 of us that would show up once a week. No options back then.

I have met this guy named Darwin a few times. He has this theory. If you try and pee in the tall grass with the big dogs you may also meet this fellow named Darwin. The herd will thin. Think BCC does a pretty good job of a no drop policy except when one decides that they want to try the tall grass. Little pre game conversation is all we need. "Hey anyone want to go long and slow today". Done.

A few groups set by pace will be good. But lets be careful not to make it too regimented as that Darwin guy has a place in the world. Think we might stress our DY to death trying to please everyone.
Comment by qb on May 14, 2010 at 6:43pm
This Darwin person sounds like a smart guy. Where would he put eeyore?
Comment by DY on May 14, 2010 at 6:57pm
Too funny, I really hope my post has "cause and effect".... I'll observe and post my thoughts in a couple weeks.

Thanks for the comments so far.

D.
Comment by Jeff N on May 14, 2010 at 8:46pm
Here is another take. I thinking group riding involves riding every position, at the back, in the middle and at the front. In a no drop ride, strong riders might do slightly longer pulls, but, shouldn't monopolize a ride. As the less fit riders get to front the pace will slow, the pulls will be shorter. Eventually the pace will adjust to match the fitness of the group and everyone will enjoy the accomplishment.
If the pace is still too much the say so and some from the group may feel the same and create a slower pace group. If it is too slow, then maybe have a cruise this week and choose a faster group next time.

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